caterpillar rallied but at the end of the day there is not much growth going on. >> howard, same question for you. any of these companies indicate which way we may see them go? >> i think we have seen some of the previews out of china already. sloppy. out of europe it's difficult but not impossible. maybe there is nobody being troubled. >> we will leave it there, men, thank you very much. coming up, my thoughts on the core issues facing apple. stay with us. [ male announcer ] there are people who find their own path. and never back down. who believe the american dream doesn't just happen, it's something you have to work for. ♪ we're for those kinds of people. because we're that kind of airline. and we never stop looking for a better way. it's how we've grown into america's largest domestic airline. we are southwest. welcome aboard. ♪ [ female announcer ] you're the boss of your life. in charge of long weekends and longer retirements. ♪ ask your financial professional how lincoln financial can help you take charge of your future. ♪ >> >> and finally my observation from what we migh